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. rich: they are not offering very many specifics this early on. we do have a ways to go. john boehner did offer framework. the framework would have tax and entitlement targets, revenue targets, spending targets, that this year in the next couple months. congress would work out the details in 2013. both leaders from both parties and both houses say it is time to get to work. >> we will continue to have revenue on the table. we are serious. we are serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal problems. >> we will do it now. we feel very comfortable with each other. this is not something we will wait until the last day of december to get it done. rich: they met for a little longer than an hour here at the white house. much of the talk was positive. there really is not anything close to specifics right now coming from anyone in all of this. here he read and nancy pelosi really did not mention entitlement at all. rich o'connell highlighted the fact that his conference in the senate believes that this country does not have a taxing problem, it has a spending problem. there are still
's about to happen in this building in an hour from now. speaker boehner, senator mcconnell, senator reid, democratic leader pelosi, all will come here and speak for a couple hours. day one of negotiations. nobody is expecting huge news but as jim has already tweeted out this morning, the market is going to look for signs that this tone of compromise that we've heard so much about all week long is that for real or are talks going to break down in early stages? the market specifically is going to depend on that tone today and we'll bring that live when the meeting happens a little after 10:00 a.m. >> we've seen reaction of futures to the possibility of a deal. we've been down for six of the past seven days but the dow this morning implied open is up 33 points. sapp looks s&p looks to add fiv. here we have italy down three-quarter percent and mixed bag for the rest. carl? okay. we're going to go to the road map this morning. that is where carl is in washington d.c. reports this morning that hard decisions surrounding deficit reduction could be kicked down the road until 2013 in favor of a s
'll play their hand i think to their full advantage. >> what kind of hand does john boehner have? where sg it leave him and his ability to control the tea party wing? >> it actually puts skron boehner in a good position because during the debt ceiling talks last year, he had a lot of push back from the very far right of his party in the house. the tea party caucus, for example. this time around we won't see the same dynamic at all because the tea party caucus and far right have lost a lot of political capital in light of the election. so what we've already seen is speaker boehner talking to republicans in the house, putting his foot down early and saying we're not going to have that same push back we saw. instead, i'm going to tell you what we're going to do and what this deal is going to look like and you'll fall into line. >> he got criticism because he negotiated a deal and then went back and tried to sell to the party. does he naed to do he need to d way around, get a set position and then go into discussions? >> i think that is the thinking this time around. and he has certainly recog
with both speaker boehner and president obama coming out talkital talking about the fiscal cliff. this week we'll see a round of negotiations capped off by a meeting at the white house between congressional leaders and executive branch coming up on friday. where are they going to end up? there are a lot of solutions kicking around town. the final deal is probably going to end up looking like at least one of these different proposals. let me walk you through four of them here so you get a sense of where we might be headed starting with the simpson bowles plan. they would cap the mortgage industry deduction at $400,000. they would also tax capital gains and dividends as ordinary income and they would have the employer sponsored health care exclusion phased out. that would be a big tax increase there. another plan that's floating around out there, you would see mortgage interest deduction limited to $25,000 of interest. capital gains and dividends here also taxed as ordinary income and the state and local tax deduction would be repealed. the gang of six plan is another one that's kicking aroun
candidates. but romney was beaten with a tax plan not dissimilar from the one boehner is currently pushing which is we won't allow taxes to go up, but we will close loopholes and romney lost on that. so there is a sense that obama for the short term has won the argument. >> granted it's a huge issue, but how many people was this election really a verdict on their tax plans? >> well, the argument is that romney often polled very well on competence in the economy, but obama polled much better on understands the needs of people like me. so there's a sense that if it comes down to class and empathy, the democrats have momentum here and the republicans are on the back foot. so in that sense, i think obama has an advantage. on the other hand republicans do have a good case to make when it comes to taxes because something that's not often discussed is that the costs of obama care will start to kick in in 2013. one example, businesses which hire 50th notice ewill face a fine of $40,000 if they don't take on government approved health care insurance. so republicans can argue that when we approach t
this? no. we should point out that the negotiations are being very closely held. i mean this is boehner, paul ryan, cantor and pelosi, reid, key members there, this is like two groups, they are not briefing their conferences much. they are not going out there and telling people what they are doing. these are private negotiations. from what i understand, they are pretty active private negotiations. this is where we are right now. again, we should point out based on everything i know, no deal until after thanksgiving. and by the way, then it becomes key. this is really interesting. if you don't have a deal after thanksgiving, think about what m cos next -- think about what comes next, you have christmas holiday shopping, that's a huge time for retailers, if people think they are going to get taxed, a fiscal cliff scenario where all the tax rates go up, every single bracket goes up, right, are people going to spend money? that's a real question. liz: we have a guest coming up to talk exactly about that. we will ask him that question. >> yeah, and i think this clock really starts ticking af
cuts for social security, medicare and medicaid. john boehner says we will talk more tax revenue in an overall tax system but we won't discuss without entitlement reform. that is the key for republicans. they will do tax revenue but it has got to be part of an overhaul of the tax system and has to involve medicare, medicaid and social security. exactly what, folks. but white house don't want to. melissa: leaders in d.c. are scrambling to figure this out but our first guest says he really does fear we're going to hit the fiscal cliff. think of while e. coyote and the acme parachute. scott hodge is president of the tax foundation. you are well known for innovative ideas on tax policy. in the 1990s you campaign to include a child credit in capital gains tax cuts. what is your best idea this time around? >> the best idea right now is for everybody to take a deep breath and pumped into next year. all the tax cuts should be extended for one more year to give congress and the white house some extra time to get off of their political posturing and make a rational deal between them. this
think they've already agreed to that. you heard john boehner say that already. we've had voteses in the senate where we've gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think that the vast majority of measures agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem and that's uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. >> i think if the house stands for anything, it's cut government spending as tom coburn said and i think we'll have to do more of it. we heard the mandate in 2010 where it was a clear mandate cut spending and we did, we cut $900 billion in spending that he can't like painful tos us. >> we'll continue our call to rise bol politics and make a deal. oufr guests this morning include mike jackson and also david zaslav. and the head of maris group. and douglas holtz-eakin. >> let's talk about eurozone finance ministers meeting to discuss whether to release a new tranche of fund to go greece. the leaders are not expected it to okay the funding despite greec
in congress are another. they have to come together. speaker boehner said he's willing to entertain more revenue. the president should take him up on that offer and they ought to come together and find some way through this. the republican party has got to take a good luook at what its future holds but a good start will be coming together to solve this problem. >> governor, nancy pelosi of course out this morning says she's going to run again for some leadership in the congress. is that a signal that the white house is going to remain more partisan perhaps than some hope? >> actually, i don't think so. you know, nancy pelosi was the one who produced the votes for the financial bailout. you all recall that. there weren't republican votes even when president bush proposed it and secretary paulson. nancy found the votes. nancy is good at finding the votes out of our progressive wing and the president will need votes from our progressive wing and nancy is a good person to do that. >> we'll see how things go down this afternoon and later in the week. governor, lanhee good to see you back. don
can tell you that the guys in the house and boehner, they really want to do this, this limiting deductions, limiting loopholes, raising effective rates, but lowering nominal rates. they want to do it that way but the president may say no and those guys in the house will say no and we might, it might happen. >> it might, but look, this is a leadership moment. we have a a leader who now has second term. he's a president. he's a fascinating individual in many respects. he's part of the problem. >> what gives you any indication he'll lead in this case? >> maybe he'll wake up to the fact that he has a chance to cut through the polarization and leave a winning legacy. this is his chance to rise above. give him a button. >> there you go. thank you for that, steve. we have more ahead from steve. coming up, we're going to talk about several stocks on the move ahead of the opening bell. we'll get down to "mad money's" jim cramer. "squawk on the street," jim cramer right after this. sometimes investing opportunities are hard to spot. you have to dig a little. fidelity's etf market tracker
of the fact that they're worried about what's not going to happen. after the election, boehner came out, thought he'd move some, and then obama came out the next day, and in the early part of his speech, he looked good. and all of a sudden he starts digging in. if you look at what the stock market did, it immediately dropped. came back a little bit that day, but immediately dropped. that's what's in people's minds and it's scaring the heck out of them. we have to have some solution. >> when we look to europe, it's a very similar scenario. we have all these issues revolving around greece and maybe to a lesser extent, spain, and it seems about the same dynamics. that it isn't results oriented, it's idle the car and hope things get better while you're sitting in there, hunkered down. >> that's absolutely the case. they have been spinning their wheels. fortunately for us, we've gotten away from the european situation, somewhat. because it looks like our economy can gain some traction. but it's immediately going to grind to a halt if we don't see something. >> you know, there's one area, the
.6 would be 1.5 to 1, when he was with boehner, 800, wanted another 4. >> you were in the room so you know. >> first of all, since we talk about bowles-simpson so much, bowles-simpson has a 1:1 ratio. >> it doesn't. >> i thought it's 1:4. >> it's 1:3. >> in the way the bowles-simpson frame was put out something people didn't realize was that in terms of the revenue number they weren't counting the expiration of the high income tax cuts which they proposed to get rid of. apples to apples, in terms of the way people are currently adding up their math, it's approximately a 1:1 ratio. >> erskine bowles said you should look at 3:1 in terms of spending cuts to revenue. >> i'm just saying what was in bowles-simpson. >> let's not forget about growth, we need to stimulate growth and a lot of it on the innovation side. >> david thank you, appreciate it i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ . >>> welcome back, everyb
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